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Gas, Glass & Graffiti with Creed Taylor | Episode 59

In Episode 59, host Tom Ritchie sits down with Creed Taylor, Chief of Extraction at Leaf Infusions, to discuss the history of solvent-based extraction, navigating legacy-to-legal market transitions, and building authentic cannabis brands.
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In this episode of the Legacies Podcast, host Tom Ritchie sits down with Creed Taylor, Chief of Extraction at Leaf Infusions. Taylor shares his personal journey in the British Columbia cannabis culture, reflecting on his parents’ early involvement with legendary BC pioneers (including Michelle Rainey and the development of Afghani Bull Rider). He details his early self-taught extraction trials, which began in his youth by consulting peer-edited online resources (such as Erowid) and experimenting with improvised tools.

Taylor describes his transition into commercial-scale legacy extraction, working in garages to manufacture Kush butter and collaborating with BC glassblowers (such as Thatcher Glass) to develop borosilicate extraction tubes. He opens up about his 2017 arrest for cannabis processing, his subsequent $40,000 legal defense, and serving a two-and-a-half-year house arrest sentence. Taylor explains how he used his confinement to consult for legacy producers, study religious history, and maintain his legal right to consume cannabis via his ACMPR license.

In the second half, the discussion focuses on regulated processing at Leaf Infusions. Taylor analyzes the ‘fresh frozen’ revolution, detailing why BHO live resin extraction outperforms dried flower in terpene retention. He addresses consumer misconceptions surrounding hydrocarbon solvents, outlines the strict purging protocols that eliminate residual chemical solvents, and discusses his role in developing Leaf Infusions’ new graffiti- and hip-hop-inspired concentrate brand, High Key.

FULL TRANSCRIPT

Introduction to Creed Taylor & Leaf Infusions (00:09)

Tom Ritchie Says: Welcome to Legacies, everyone! Legacies is powered by AVEO, leaders in sustainable vape hardware. We’re joined this week by Creed Taylor, Chief of Extraction for Leaf Infusions. Creed, how are you doing, man?

Creed Taylor Says: Spectacular as always, man! Happy to be here. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it!

Tom Ritchie Says: You are a legacy operator to the core. When I was doing research, there wasn’t a standard corporate LinkedIn profile—you’re from your own world. Congratulations on the new role at Leaf Infusions! You’ve built an incredible legacy pre-legalization that carried over into the regulated space. What originally sparked your obsession with extraction?

The Erowid Underground & Growing Up in BC Cannabis Culture (02:02)

Creed Taylor Says: If we take it all the way back, I have to credit my initial interest in extraction to a website from the late 90s and early 2000s called Erowid. It was an open-access, peer-reviewed forum where underground chemists posted step-by-step synthesis manuals for illicit substances, along with all sorts of anarchistic recipes. It was raw and uncensored.

Creed Taylor Says: Beyond that, cannabis was part of my entire childhood. I’m the son of a proud Jamaican father and an ex-hippie mother in British Columbia. My parents were deeply tapped into BC’s early cannabis culture pioneers—they picked up flower directly from Michelle Rainey and Jeff Tek, who bred legendary cultivars like Afghani Bullrider. Growing up around Vancouver’s “Pot Block”—with Blunt Brothers, the Amsterdam Cafe, and Marc Emery’s Cannabis Culture lounges—cannabis was completely normalized. Smoking a cigarette seemed more extreme than smoking a joint.

Tom Ritchie Says: Did growing up in an open, destigmatized household make government prohibition seem absurd?

Creed Taylor Says: Completely. In high school, when friends came over smelling like weed, their parents would ban them from seeing me. Meanwhile, I recognized cannabis as a valuable commodity early on, selling eighths and twenty-bags while showing people that you could be an intellectual, productive individual while consuming daily.

The Kinder Egg Blaster: Clandestine Teenage Experiments (08:32)

Tom Ritchie Says: In the late 90s, extraction was mostly dry sift and bubble hash. How did you transition into hydrocarbon and solvent extracts?

Creed Taylor Says: Back then, solvent-extracted hash oil was incredibly rare. As a teenager, you’d spend $200 on an ounce of garbage until you finally stumbled across a batch of full-melt hash that liquefied when heated. I wanted to learn how to make pure oil, but commercial underground extractors were tight-lipped—they demanded $50,000 cash to teach you their methods.

Creed Taylor Says: Without that cash, I printed step-by-step extraction guides off Erowid on my family’s bulky Hewlett-Packard desktop computer. I’m almost embarrassed to admit this, but my very first extraction tube was made from a yellow plastic Kinder Surprise toy egg. I poked tiny holes in the bottom, drilled a butane nozzle adapter in the top, packed three grams of ground flower inside, and blasted butane right in my bedroom over a Pyrex dish resting in hot water! Then I graduated to plastic mini M&M tubes. It was wildly dangerous, but that curiosity started the fire.

Glass Blowers, Kush Butter & Hardware Evolution (15:47)

Tom Ritchie Says: How did you scale from candy tubes to commercial clandestine extraction?

Creed Taylor Says: In my senior year of high school, local underground operators introduced me to “kush butter.” They set me up in a garage with flower and tools, and I whipped hash oil all day. Soon after, I connected with BC’s burgeoning functional glass-blowing community. Shoutout to Thatcher Glass, a protege of legends like Surf Rat and Marble Slinger. He blew me custom borosilicate glass extraction tubes with flared tops and pinched bottoms to seat filters.

Creed Taylor Says: Glass allowed us to scale from 10-gram sample runs to half-pound and one-pound columns. Simultaneously, consumption hardware was evolving. Early on, people dropped oil onto glowing hookah coals and inhaled the smoke through glass straws—it looked like freebasing! Then Hashmaster Cut and G.I.R.L. on Vancouver Island invented the titanium swing-arm bell curve using bicycle spokes and bailing wire, followed by TaskRoc in the US introducing domeless titanium nails. As dabbing hardware matured, consumer demand for refined concentrates exploded.

Pioneering Closed-Loop Hydrocarbon Systems (24:46)

Creed Taylor Says: Around 2011 and 2012, the first stainless steel closed-loop hydrocarbon extractors appeared, cobbled together from sanitary dairy and brewery components. I operated one of the very first closed-loop systems on the West Coast. Getting vacuum ovens and specialized sanitary parts across the Canadian border was an ordeal—my glassblower buddy had to convince border guards the vacuum oven was an annealing kiln for cooling borosilicate art!

Creed Taylor Says: Once that closed loop was dialed in, we stopped whipping generic homogenized oil and began isolating specific textures: glass shatter, sugar waxes, and terp sauce. It completely transformed concentrate production from a garage gamble into an exact science.

Happy Accidents & The History of Cannabis Extractions (27:37)

Tom Ritchie Says: In concentrate development, how much innovation is planned chemistry versus stumbling onto something by accident?

Creed Taylor Says: It’s the Bob Ross technique—happy accidents! You might adjust temperature or pressure expecting stable shatter, and it crashes out into micro-diamonds and terpene sauce. You think you ruined the batch until you dab it and realize the terpene profile is breathtaking.

Creed Taylor Says: But extraction isn’t brand new. In late-1970s issues of High Times, companies advertised heated electric fondue fountains designed to circulate weed and alcohol to evaporate hash oil. Thousands of years ago, biblical texts referenced holy anointing oils like kaneh-bosm extracted with heat and oils. We’re simply applying modern sanitary stainless-steel engineering to ancient plant alchemy.

The Federal Bust & Two-and-a-Half Years of House Arrest (34:07)

Tom Ritchie Says: By 2017, you were toll-processing for growers across BC. Then law enforcement caught up with you.

Creed Taylor Says: We were moving significant volume across provinces. In late 2017, I was pulled over with a vehicle packed with processing equipment, concentrates, cash, and prohibited devices. I was hit with severe federal trafficking charges facing two years plus a day in federal prison. Irony of ironies: I was arrested in the fall of 2017, just months before Canada legalized cannabis in 2018.

Creed Taylor Says: It cost $40,000 in legal fees and eighteen months in court before striking a deal for two-and-a-half years of strict house arrest. It derailed my touring hip-hop career, where I was earning thousands a month performing, and led to civil asset forfeiture. For the first two years, I was permitted outside for exactly one hour per week for groceries. Police officers banged on my door at 4:00 AM to verify my presence.

Creed Taylor Says: Fortunately, I possessed an ACMPR medical cannabis license, which legally permitted me to consume cannabis in my home during my sentence. I’d answer the door in my boxers holding a bong to officers I went to high school with! While confined, extractors from across Canada called me daily for consulting advice, keeping my industry knowledge sharp.

Entering the Regulated Framework: The Ad Astra Era (48:06)

Tom Ritchie Says: How did you make the leap from house arrest into legal licensed production?

Creed Taylor Says: With three months remaining on my conditional sentence, I received a call from a licensed producer: Ad Astra. I was paranoid it was an undercover setup! But after researching the leadership, I realized they shared legacy roots. They told me, “Finish your conditions, call us in three months, and you have a job.”

Creed Taylor Says: Fresh off house arrest with a federal trafficking record, I walked into Ad Astra’s boardroom. I took a massive pay cut compared to the legacy market, but legal security and peace of mind were priceless. I brought in my right-hand man, Big Tasty, trained the lab on legacy extraction finesse, and partnered with sales legend Paul Dylan. Together, we engineered over 100 SKUs and launched Endgame.

Award-Winning Recognition: 2023 Extractor of the Year (53:50)

Tom Ritchie Says: Endgame exploded across Canada, and in 2023, you swept the industry awards, including Extractor of the Year.

Creed Taylor Says: Endgame incorporated my roots in hip-hop and graffiti writing—it was raw, authentic, and connected with everyday consumers. We won five major awards in one year: Extractor of the Year, Brand of the Year, and Concentrate of the Year from Grow Up and KIND. But trophies pale in comparison to walking into a dispensary and hearing budtenders say, “Endgame is the only brand that truly speaks to our culture.”

Managing 120 SKUs, Burnout & Resetting at Leaf Infusions (57:07)

Tom Ritchie Says: What caused you to step away from Ad Astra and join Leaf Infusions?

Creed Taylor Says: Corporate scaling at that velocity is exhausting. Managing 120 SKUs across Canada meant that when a specific cultivar disappeared from supply, you had to perform chemistry gymnastics to maintain product consistency on provincial shelves. Combined with corporate restructurings, I faced severe burnout.

Creed Taylor Says: When I mentioned I was open to a transition, offers came in immediately. Keith connected me with Braden at Leaf Infusions. Leaf offered a complete creative reset: building a brand-new hydrocarbon extraction facility from the ground up, hand-selecting my team, and focusing strictly on connoisseur products. We launched Highkey and Biggies, blending mass appeal with genuine street-culture aesthetics.

The Fresh Frozen Live Resin Standard (1:05:43)

Tom Ritchie Says: Leaf Infusions operates strictly on fresh frozen material. Why is fresh frozen essential for premium extracts?

Creed Taylor Says: After processing thousands of kilos of dry, dusty trim, working exclusively with fresh frozen flower is night and day. We built an industrial commercial freezer capable of storing over 10,000 kilograms of biomass at -20°C. Flower is frozen immediately upon harvest and moves directly into closed-loop hydrocarbon extraction without ever thawing.

Creed Taylor Says: That cryogenic process locks in volatile monoterpenes and full cannabinoid spectrums that dry curing destroys. The resulting live resin captures the exact living essence of the plant.

Debunking Solvent Stigmas & The PPM Regulatory Hurdle (1:08:26)

Tom Ritchie Says: What is the biggest misconception consumers still have regarding hydrocarbon extracts?

Creed Taylor Says: The fear of residual solvents. Inexperienced consumers assume hydrocarbon dabs contain toxic chemicals. That stigma comes from the 90s when people used cheap lighter fluid containing foul-smelling mercaptans and neurotoxic denaturants. In modern commercial labs, ultra-pure n-butane combusts cleanly into carbon dioxide and water vapor.

Creed Taylor Says: In fact, Health Canada’s sub-5,000 ppm residual solvent limit often forces extractors to bake live resin in vacuum ovens for three days, stripping the very terpenes that make the cultivar unique. More empirical science is needed to establish regulations that protect safety without compromising plant profile integrity.

The Next Decade: Frontline Budtender Education (1:12:34)

Tom Ritchie Says: What is your primary focus for the next few years at Leaf Infusions?

Creed Taylor Says: Frontline education. Over the next decade, concentrates will capture a massive share of the market, but only if we demystify the category. Budtenders need confidence to explain the difference between distillate, live resin, badder, and diamonds so consumers understand what they are buying and how to consume it.

The Legacy Code: Uncompromising Standards & Concluding Remarks (1:15:47)

Tom Ritchie Says: What is the unshakeable standard that defines Creed Taylor?

Creed Taylor Says: In the legacy days, if you cut corners and sold bad product, people pulled up on you—there were real consequences. My name is on every jar. If an oil isn’t good enough for my personal head stash, it doesn’t leave the lab. Like graffiti, if you claim to be the best and paint sloppy, you get called out. No shortcuts, no compromises.

Creed Taylor Says: Look out for Highkey, Biggies, and a signature line under my own name arriving late this year. We have groundbreaking formats coming!

Tom Ritchie Says: Creed, your passion, craftsmanship, and legacy authenticity are unmatched. Thank you for sharing your story on Legacies!

Creed Taylor Says: Much love, Tom! Thank you for giving operators a real platform. Appreciate you!

NOTABLE QUOTES
“At that time, if you really wanted to learn how to make one of these consumable extracts, you had to pay somebody. And you had to pay extravagant amounts of money. Most of the people that were doing this on a commercial scale had ulterior motives… but I considered myself a connoisseur at quite an early age.” Creed Taylor — On the history of self-taught extraction knowledge.

Jump to 01:28

“I think I got arrested for this stuff in September or October of 2017, and they legalized in November 2018. I was so close to making it… ended up getting two and a half years house arrest, which was very detrimental to my trajectory. But I had an ACMPR license, so I was legally allowed to consume cannabis during house arrest.” Creed Taylor — On navigating arrest during legalization.

Jump to 04:12

“Our focus on going only with fresh frozen products aligned with the kind of brand development I wanted to introduce. Fresh frozen is a revolution because the terpene retention is so much higher and the overall experience is exciting.” Creed Taylor — On the fresh frozen live resin standard.

Jump to 03:35

KEY TAKEAWAYS

✔Fresh Frozen Processing: Utilizing fresh frozen cannabis instead of dried flower preserves a higher concentration of monoterpenes, making it the industry standard for premium live resins.
✔Legacy-to-Legal Transition: Transitioning legacy extraction expertise to regulated facilities involves adapting traditional craft knowledge to strict commercial quality assurance protocols.
✔Solvent-Based Safety: Modern hydrocarbon extraction (BHO) in closed-loop systems incorporates extensive purging cycles to ensure final products are free of residual chemical solvents.
✔Authentic Brand Positioning: Aligning product branding with subcultures like graffiti, hip-hop, and music helps build credibility and trust with core consumer demographics.
✔Academic Curation: Early internet communities (such as Erowid) and peer-reviewed forums served as the primary resources for self-taught legacy extraction techniques before the formalization of legal training.
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